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by haveaniceday23_2 Monday, September 29, 2014

Not applying for water bill consequences?

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haveaniceday23_2
by haveaniceday23_2 29th September 2014

My roomate and I still haven't applied for the water bill. We haven't even checked if we received the letter or not. What's gonna happen if we don't apply???

don_od
by don_od 29th September 2014

The landlord will have to burden the costs I'd imagine. 

haveaniceday23_2
by haveaniceday23_2 29th September 2014

excellent! I'll keep acting as if i know nothing

ivanvarian
by ivanvarian 29th September 2014

good luck getting your deposit back then

haveaniceday23_2
by haveaniceday23_2 29th September 2014

I don't think so ;)

linehanshane
by linehanshane 30th September 2014

Dont think ignoring it is a good idea, the landlord wont burden any cost, he'll just pass it onto you... The fines and whatnot could add up fast too like

haveaniceday23_2
by haveaniceday23_2 30th September 2014

Seriously now I looked for the letter and we haven't received anything. I'll contact my landlord and see what arrangements we can do.

chris
by chris 30th September 2014

Friend asked me the same thing. I know the likes of my old landlord would love if his tennants said zero, just so he could use it against them when stringin' them out of their deposit at a later stage. If you haven't recieved a letter,I'd get onto your landlord regardless

haveaniceday23_2
by haveaniceday23_2 30th September 2014

We called him this morning and he has the letter. He took it while my roommate was on vacation and I hadn't moved in yet.

eoincregan
by eoincregan 1st October 2014

I haven't received any letter either. What way is the whole system working?

don_od
by don_od 2nd October 2014

There should be allowances made for certain cases but there is a lot of crazed and misinformed protesting going on out there. 

haveaniceday23_2
by haveaniceday23_2 3rd October 2014

I think the system will be a complete mess for a year at least till everybody accepts the fact that from now on you have to pay for water. In Greece, when the government imposed on us to pay a kind of extra rent for our houses through our electricy bill, all people went crazy cause they were cutting your electricity if you didnt want to pay that extra money. After leaving hundreds of houses with no electricity for many months, they decided to allow people to do arrangements in order to pay their bills and gave them electricity back. That's why I asked, because my main fear was that I would live without water in the house.

ivanvarian
by ivanvarian 3rd October 2014

There's a threat to reduce water pressure but not cut it off

Stefano1981
by Stefano1981 3rd October 2014

It's amazing how people will protest about sensible policies like a preoperty tax or water charges but blithely accept something as egregious as the USC.  It would be far more beneficial to expend efforts there given how regressive that tax is on the lower paid and how it acts as an impediment to employers taking on new workers.

linehanshane
by linehanshane 3rd October 2014

I saw someone posted on facebook yesterday that the average person will end up paying 431e per year... surely thats not true???

amy
by amy 3rd October 2014

I think a lot of people are annoyed Athina because they upped income taxes about 10-15 years ago to pay for the supply of water. Now all of a sudden there's another charge, which is likely to increase again by 2016 'if the government 'subsidy' decreases' which, knowing our government, most definitely will. This would be a lot easier to accept were income taxes to be cut and a new separate charge like the system (but done right!) they are putting in now were to come about instead.

 

Also another huge pain point is the fact that it's a non-government organisation that own Irish Water which makes it a commodity which is just plain disgusting really.

 

I'm all for accepting that services like this cost money to be maintained but they've gone about it completely wrong.

 

Not to mention the sneaky trick of trying to make ministers exempt from the charge on second homes. The usual shady dealings from Fine Gael though really isn't it...

Stefano1981
by Stefano1981 3rd October 2014

We've been 'paying' for water through general taxes for the past 30 years and what it's got us is one of the worst water systems in Europe. Sure last Christmas a load of businesses around Dawson Street had to shut for a few days because of problems with the pipes given how poor the infrastructure is.

When something comes from general taxation it's easy for that money to get diverted to other places, it's far better to have the money ringfenced and targeted on the specific area, especially given how much investment is needed to even bring the infrastructure up to the European average.

amy
by amy 3rd October 2014

Exactly, which is why taxation should be lowered but an all encompassing water charge be brought in instead that is collected and maintained by a government body. Simples.

haveaniceday23_2
by haveaniceday23_2 5th October 2014

I think a lot of people are annoyed Athina because they upped income taxes about 10-15 years ago to pay for the supply of water. Now all of a sudden there's another charge, which is likely to increase again by 2016 'if the government 'subsidy' decreases' which, knowing our government, most definitely will. This would be a lot easier to accept were income taxes to be cut and a new separate charge like the system (but done right!) they are putting in now were to come about instead.

 

Also another huge pain point is the fact that it's a non-government organisation that own Irish Water which makes it a commodity which is just plain disgusting really.

 

I'm all for accepting that services like this cost money to be maintained but they've gone about it completely wrong.

 

Not to mention the sneaky trick of trying to make ministers exempt from the charge on second homes. The usual shady dealings from Fine Gael though really isn't it...

Ok I had no idea that water expenses were covered by taxation. If that's the case then people are right when compaining.

At the same time, I see myself that here in Ireland there's major water consumption to the point of wasting it. So it's a good thing to pay separately the water in order to avoid wasting it, as you all know in a few years water will be a luxury rather than something you know you'll have anyway.

However, the government should've imposed the water charges in the right way and not playing tricks behind people's back.

irishpob3
by irishpob3 7th October 2014

We've been 'paying' for water through general taxes for the past 30 years and what it's got us is one of the worst water systems in Europe. Sure last Christmas a load of businesses around Dawson Street had to shut for a few days because of problems with the pipes given how poor the infrastructure is.

When something comes from general taxation it's easy for that money to get diverted to other places, it's far better to have the money ringfenced and targeted on the specific area, especially given how much investment is needed to even bring the infrastructure up to the European average.


Ringfencing it is one thing but I've no doubt that the setting up of Irish Water is just a precursor to privatisation.

 

I agree with you about the USC though - I suppose the difference there was that it came in almost overnight and was deducted at source so people were paying it before they even realised.

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