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chris
by chris 6th November 2014

http://eglorecords.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/FP-Isonoe-Spec.pdf

 

"After a few months of this lurking at Plastic People, I'm happy to announce a DJ mixer I've designed with Isonoe."

linehanshane
by linehanshane 6th November 2014

wow, this shit has taken off big time... 

eoin_callanan
by eoin_callanan 6th November 2014

Looks good, but straight away I don't like the location of the channel pots, might be ok when you get used to it, but I like them side by side

scoyler
by scoyler 6th November 2014

looks nice surely, but i think id prefer the size of the djr, it reminds me of the R1 a little, even tho the chanels are stacked. wonder what sort of dosh it migth be?

mixalaki
by mixalaki 6th November 2014

Don't understand the logic behind making it only a 2-channel mixer.

gerregan
by gerregan 6th November 2014

Looks good, but straight away I don't like the location of the channel pots, might be ok when you get used to it, but I like them side by side

Yeah the layout of it doesn't do it for me either.

kenny.hanlon
by kenny.hanlon 6th November 2014

Don't really see the point in fucking with the standard layout like he has there. Gonna cause some horrible sounding djing accidents at the beginning. Or any time you use it and its not yer regular set up and you've had a few drinks etc. I do like the sleek look. 

2 channels, vinyl n de truth. Jus like bono m8.

linehanshane
by linehanshane 6th November 2014

I read today thats its 2 channel cos its built with components from really high end shit, neve and the like. layout is odd alright

waurma
by waurma 6th November 2014

I read today thats its 2 channel cos its built with components from really high end shit, neve and the like. layout is odd alright

sweet! I imagine it's going to be stoopid  expensive, I'd prefer a DJR myself, if I was gonna spend big money on a rotary! 

hansausdtschl
by hansausdtschl 7th November 2014

Yeah the component costs are high, that's probably why they limited it to two channels.

This small scale production of rotary mixers thing is getting very popular.

waurma
by waurma 8th November 2014

Yeah the component costs are high, that's probably why they limited it to two channels.

This small scale production of rotary mixers thing is getting very popular.

I imagine the kind of person that's going to buy one of these would be quite happy to spend top doller tho, so why not go all out and throw 4 channels in? 

robkelly81
by robkelly81 9th November 2014

Why would you need more than two channels? 

 

waurma
by waurma 9th November 2014

Why would you need more than two channels? 

 

Dub siren of course! 

 

also there doesn't seem to be any send/return function on it? 

waurma
by waurma 9th November 2014

I should add, I love the idea of a master output EQ

kenny.hanlon
by kenny.hanlon 9th November 2014

friend of a friend built this actually. says it weighs a tonne. I'd have figured FP would have tried to make a portal one, seeing as he hauls a DJr around the place as is.

waurma
by waurma 10th November 2014
gilesk
by gilesk 10th November 2014

http://www.superstereo.co.uk/dn78-phantom-valve-series/

 

anybody ever use one of these?

I have one and it's amazing in so many ways - I plan on keeping it for a long long time, possibly forever.

hansausdtschl
by hansausdtschl 12th November 2014

That DN78 Phantom Valve thing looks lovely.

moriartyronan
by moriartyronan 12th November 2014

For those on a budget, Omnitronic have released its own Rotary very much Modelled on Jerome's DJR400

http://eshop.steinigke.de/de/Produktvorschau/Vorschau-gesamt/TRM-202-2-Kanal-Rotary-Mixer/category-d57efd19a30c2b173bb7b552bfda1465/product-ARTI_10355920.html

Guess its a case of, you get what you pay for..

waurma
by waurma 15th November 2014

For those on a budget, Omnitronic have released its own Rotary very much Modelled on Jerome's DJR400

http://eshop.steinigke.de/de/Produktvorschau/Vorschau-gesamt/TRM-202-2-Kanal-Rotary-Mixer/category-d57efd19a30c2b173bb7b552bfda1465/product-ARTI_10355920.html

Guess its a case of, you get what you pay for..

has anybody actually bought one of these yet? I can't seem to find a review of them any where! 

 

TBH I would seriously consider buying 78 valve as mentioned above for home use, but if that omnitronic wasn't half bad I'd certainly look at it! 

what is a urei or a bozac going for these days?

linehanshane
by linehanshane 15th November 2014

Urei 1620 - bout a grand... I remember hard to find records had em for like 600 quid that time the value of the pound plumetted. 

eoin_callanan
by eoin_callanan 15th November 2014

I got my 1620LE for 530 euro direct from HTFR in 2008. 499 sterling and the euro was almost level at the time. They go for around a grand or so now. A returbed original Urei or Bozak you'd be looking at 2-2.5k I'd say. 

waurma
by waurma 15th November 2014

not bad for the 1620, how much are you looking for a nice isolator? was doing a bit of reading around about the discoteque 78s and lads reporting a 10 month wait on them! not too bad considering the DJR wait has been up to 2 years for some people... 

paulnealejunior
by paulnealejunior 16th November 2014

The original Urei 1620 is a different beast to th 1620LE. Spoke to Isonoe about the 2 mixers, said the le used inferior parts and doesnt sound anything like the original,

The 1620LE is a British made mixer, the chap who designed is doing the "new" Bozak, which also sounds completly different from original.

No way would i pay a grand for 1620le

In that budget i think i would go for one of these ]             https://www.facebook.com/CompactDiscoSoundsystem?fref=ts

if money no object the "remanafactured" urei 1620 by Isonoe

http://isonoe.com/products/Custom/Remanufactured_UREi_1620_2.pdf

paulnealejunior
by paulnealejunior 16th November 2014

not hearing good things about the omnitronic btw

paulnealejunior
by paulnealejunior 16th November 2014

Oh and this guy customises vintage urei, adds eqs isolater etc, some of his creations are unreal in his photos

eoin_callanan
by eoin_callanan 16th November 2014

Dixie - Of course the LE won't be as good as the Original but it still sounds amazing IMO and I paid a quarter of the price I would have paid for a refurbed original so it's value for money on that front. 

Bigdaddycan - i paid around 500 quid for the E&S Isolator, and it only took a few weeks to arrive. The Bozak is around 600 sterling. I don't think the wait is 2 years for the DJR btw, most people I know who got them only waited a couple of months

paulnealejunior
by paulnealejunior 16th November 2014

Fair point eoin re price of the LE, i dont think thery should have used the urei name (same applies to new bozak) since the guts of it bear no resemblance to the original, Some interesting stuff on the LE here

http://isonoe.com/products/Custom/UREi_1620LE.pdf

donal.callanan
by donal.callanan 16th November 2014

will definitely be going for a rotary if i can ever afford it but think ill go with one from these guys https://www.facebook.com/condesaDJmxers?ref=ts&fref=ts over the djr or urei/bozaks

linehanshane
by linehanshane 16th November 2014

Picking up one of these during the week. Will be converting it to rotary. Ive been after one for ages now, solid mixer...

 

 

kenny.hanlon
by kenny.hanlon 16th November 2014

i love rotarys but yet i still cant see myself biting the bullet cause they are a bit restrictive. Being flat broke helps my thought process too. 

donal.callanan
by donal.callanan 17th November 2014

i love rotarys but yet i still cant see myself biting the bullet cause they are a bit restrictive. Being flat broke helps my thought process too. 

yeah same as but i have eoins urei with his isolater and it took a while to get used to it but i love it now and the next purchase will be a good rotary i reckon and thats it. fuck knows when thatll be though!

paulnealejunior
by paulnealejunior 17th November 2014

FP:

Overwhelming response to the mixer news, thanks for the kind words.
To address a few concerns;
The volumes are on top of each other in order to be able to fade with one hand whilst riding the pitch on turntable/cd.
Furthermore, this felt right with the isolators being on top of each other. Fading bass/mids/tops using the isolators is great fun.
Yes, one would have to remember which channel represents which side of the setup. ((but theres only 2 channels to worry about..!!))

Each channel has switchable inputs, so whilst only one source can be mixed into another, the source can be changed. It's not designed for mixing 4 records at a time.

I don't expect anyone to have any idea how this thing sounds without hearing it against another mixer. Details of components in the spec are not meant to be marketing fluff, rather give some indication to the technically inclined of its performance.

yeah, i still love the e&s, bozak etc etc this is just a different thing. Something that on a sound system such as Plastic People is a joy to experience and ultimately makes sharing music even more amazing

thanks!

waurma
by waurma 17th November 2014

Anybody actually know what kind of sound system is inside Plastic People? 

paulnealejunior
by paulnealejunior 17th November 2014

Always thought it was the ubiquitous  "Funktion 1" could be wrong though

donal.callanan
by donal.callanan 18th November 2014

not hearing good things about the omnitronic btw


just went to check for a review of it and its being recalled

copied from the FB page - Dear customers and friends of Omnitronic,

we tried our best to offer you an innovative, as perfect as possible device with the TRM-202. Unfortunally, we failed. In a quality check of the Omnitronic TRM-202, errors occurred, which make the device very difficult to operate. That's why we have to take radical action now:
We need to recall the TRM-202.

Hence we offer you two possibilities to at least make amends:

- you can return your TRM-202 and of course get your money back (please contact your dealer for this)
- or, you can keep your TRM-202 and we'll send you the new, totally revised MK2 version as a replacement for free.

We sincerely regret that these errors occurred and would like to offer you our heartfelt apologies for the inconvenience – the project TRM-202 has not been realized satisfactorily in any way. But we always try to learn from mistakes and so we will offer a properly functioning, totally revised MK2 version. Our self-image as professional manufacturer demands this and we owe it to you.

info
by info 18th November 2014

no doubt the internetz will be out for them with a lynching over this, such is the way the internetz is these days. 

waurma
by waurma 22nd November 2014

anybody chime in on the rane 2016 rotary and eq module? a mate of mine has one at the minute and is looking to get rid of, half thinking of buying it off him

paulnealejunior
by paulnealejunior 22nd November 2014

heard people say its good with digital sources but phono preamps arent the best

hansausdtschl
by hansausdtschl 24th November 2014

Bulletproof build quality though by all accounts.

eoin_callanan
by eoin_callanan 26th November 2014

Battle of the Rotary mixers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywOtAfEwm7s&feature=youtu.be

Nice. That ARS looks ridiculous, I remember when it first launched, it caused quite a stir on the Wave music forums. By all accounts its incredible to use. 

paulnealejunior
by paulnealejunior 26th November 2014

Alpha stuff is something else, i have the alpha 3 way and 5 way also have the alpha phono preamps for my mixer which are sweet

paulnealejunior
by paulnealejunior 26th November 2014

Alpha stuff is something else, i have the alpha 3 way and 5 way also have the alpha phono preamps for my mixer which are sweet

paulnealejunior
by paulnealejunior 26th November 2014

 

linehanshane
by linehanshane 26th November 2014

whats the 5 way? 5 band iso?

paulnealejunior
by paulnealejunior 26th November 2014

5 way master eq

u can see it in the vid

paulnealejunior
by paulnealejunior 26th November 2014

think these mixers are around the grand mark, mad thing is is that all discrete circuitry. ARS, vintage Urei, A and Heath rotary: none of them are discrete all use IC chips

Only mixer with discrete circuitry was original Bozak

 

Great read about the mixer here: http://transitionrecords.net.au/condesa.php

eoin_callanan
by eoin_callanan 26th November 2014

How much did the EQ set you back Dixie?

paulnealejunior
by paulnealejunior 26th November 2014

got a deal on it as know the lad who brings the stuff over for london..it was over a grand, tbh for home use find the EQ much more useful than an isolator

paulnealejunior
by paulnealejunior 26th November 2014

however the ISONOE 5 way is all discrete circuitry and not much more expensive, sell your Isolator and pick this up (will improve the sound of your mixer too)

http://www.isonoe.com/products/5-band-programme-equaliser/

donal.callanan
by donal.callanan 27th November 2014

think these mixers are around the grand mark, mad thing is is that all discrete circuitry. ARS, vintage Urei, A and Heath rotary: none of them are discrete all use IC chips

Only mixer with discrete circuitry was original Bozak

 

Great read about the mixer here: http://transitionrecords.net.au/condesa.php

 

 


was actually talking to the guy that did that review on reddit, he was saying the ARS is quality alright, and the condesa allegra eq mixer in that review is $2150au (1,467.01euro) , promo price is $2000au (1,364.66euro) (for a short while). Shipping to ireland is $180au (122.83euro).  theyre direct prices from Mehdi who runs it as well, really nice guy from my brief contact with him on FB asking a few questions he seems very up front and approachable and quick to answer too. he started it because he wanted a bozak but couldnt afford one so built something similar himself. as i said above a few posts ago if im ever able to afford one ill probably go with one of his. hes also got an isolater coming according to the FB page

donal.callanan
by donal.callanan 27th November 2014

thats the most expensive Condesa mixer too as far as i know so the normal allegra, and carmen models will be cheaper

paulchillage
by paulchillage 27th November 2014

Here's one for all you high fliers: http://www.ebay.com/itm/251734556854

kenny.hanlon
by kenny.hanlon 27th November 2014

5 way eq is a bit fucking Yngwie Malmsteen. hmmm.

scoyler
by scoyler 1st December 2014

Was kinda hoping Sam would have had the mixer with him for the eglo night in Sugar Club, got chatting him and he was saying the mixer is appox 40 kilos in weight and the power supply is 15 kilos - he was saying it was designed for club soundsystems in mind approx cost at 3500 stg - he reckons it prob not make it to production - heavy stuff :)

soundslikeste
by soundslikeste 5th December 2014

Hey, I stumbled upon this thread looking for a pic of the Isonoe/Floating Points thing & thought Id throw in my 10p worth in case it helps anybody. I know I was really struggling for first hand input when I was shopping around.

I own one of the first batch of Condesa Carmen's (#7) & it really is amazing! Really solid - the early releases had walnut casing which looks lush (produced with locally sourced Australian Jarrah & Rosewood now) & the sound is insane. I think discrete circuitry over IC really makes a difference & adds so much warmth in comparison to rotary mixers Ive used. Prior to taking the plunge, I had used the Rane 2016 (with expansion module) & Allen & Heath Xone V6 while gigging, a friend owned the old Vestax PMC46mk2 & I have owned a Rane Empath Rotary Edition & Vestax PMC250R (rotary version).

Initially, I was a little concerned about sacrificing channel EQ because I was always used to having it, but the dynamics with the Condesa are so good that I very rarely need to adjust anything & really prefer the fullness of 2 tracks sitting side by side harmonising together rather than stripped down on the way in/out using an EQ. It took a little adjustment to how I was playing like any major change in a set up, but if anything, I found that not having an EQ just highlighted how much I was using it to correct poor track selection in terms of what worked together & so I started to pay more attention & I think, improved a lot in that respect. Im not some crazy audiphile geek so can just speak from my impression of what Ive been using, but the only way that I can describe it is when blending records, everything has so much more space & sounds much more open rather than the congested mush of sound you get trying to mix on a flat EQ with something like a Xone or DJM. Everything breathes & lays well together when its all in key. Not having gains is far better in my opinion because you stop turning the pot when it sounds loud enough. Its just more intuitive. Gains were one thing I didnt like about all of the other mixers, including the Rane 2016 & Xone V6 which sounded better than the others Ive mentioned.

I accidentally found a thread on Inthemix.com, an Australian forum, when looking for input on Bozak CMA 2DL's & Urei 1620's because I wanted to own a piece of history. The thing is, theyre just a bit huge for my house & so was eyeing up the DJR400. Medhi had started a thread about a Bozak clone which he was producing under the guise of Soul Sonic Audio. This design was later refined to become the Allegra & then he later developed the desktop Carmen, at which point, with a little back & forth questioning, I was sold. Medhi is really honest, wont feed you any bullshit & will help you were he can. He has since released EQ versions of both mixers, but if you want my honest opinion, save that extra money & buy an isolator. EQ isnt needed like it is on DJMs & your other off the shelf units. Co-incidentally, in the same thread, another guy who seemed to want to get picky with Medhi's idea's (as I later found out...) produced his own designs, but more for the DIY'er to use than final products, under Bozure, based in Sweden. A short while later he began developing an 19" isolator which he later built to fit inside a generic desktop enclosure which proves really useful for gigging. He was running comparisons with other units in the run up to its release & found his iso to have similar qualities & transparency to that of the E&S 3-way isolator. But the bonus being, the Bozure unit is £250!

Anyway, a random find on the net proved to be really useful in the end given that I bought Medhi's mixer & the Bozure iso & so can give my full recommendation for both. There isnt an obvious change in quality when hooking up the isolaltor at all. Its really transparent & doesnt colour the sound. I went for the +13db gain on the iso because it takes less rotation on the pot to achieve the desired effect & so you can mess around quickly on it. I returned the iso at first because it had Bourns91 pots fitted - which if you like soft/loose pots - is great for fast minipulation, but they have plastic shafts & so replacing them with ALPS Blue Velvets with their metal shafts suited me better because I want something more robust to swing on. This was something the guy at Bozure was only too happy to do for me & now offers it as an alternative. They felt kinda stiff at first but have loosened up nicely just like the Carmen pots did. That said, both the iso & the mixer still have a nice amount of resistance.

Aplogies for the essay, but I hope some of that helps :)

soundslikeste
by soundslikeste 5th December 2014

I should have added when mentioning the gain... unity, ie fader banged up to its max, on a rotary mixer without gains sits between 7-8 on the pot. Anything beyond that is headroom which you use as your gain, so not having a gain isnt a problem at all, if you get me?

I know the feeling of looking at the design of a rotary & thinking its restrictive because I was a fan of messing around with 2 copies of tracks & used to like the crossfaders on the other rotary mixers Id used, but all I can say is when you 'feel' the top end models in use, you'll justify diving in to yourself purely on sound quality alone. Elements of a tracks production just jumping out at you that you had never noticed before for the first time is pretty astonishing. I mainly play house & techno - deeper Detroit/Chicago influenced stuff, but play across the board in bars so I buy soul, funk, disco & so on... so what I say about not needing channel EQ doesnt need to be taken with a pinch of salt quite so much because Im not just playing one genre or era. Sure some of the older productions might need a little boost here & there with the soul, funk & disco, but you can sort that with the master tone control on the mixer (bass/treble +/-12db) or on the iso if where youll have an additional mid control. In all honesty though, Im maybe only doing that 15% of the time. Im now a convert & much prefer it this way!

soundslikeste
by soundslikeste 5th December 2014

Beware though... I was content with my SL1200s / Empath / Shure Whitelabels set up until I bought my Condesa! haha. Ive become a fucking gear whore again now, but instead of being drawn to anything with flashing lights like I was at 21, at 33, Ive started being pulled into the slippery slope of custom mods! I was shocked at how much small changes made & so upgraded my arms to Rega RB301's, rewired them with better cable, bought a couple of Mastersounds vinyl weights & some customised HD25's (weighted drivers/improved dampening material/improved oxy free copper litz cable) after the pair pictured were stolen at a gig. Since taking the pic, Ive replaced the Shure M44-7's (spares I had for DJ workshops ebcause my Whitelabels couldnt fit the new arms) with some Vintage Stanton 680EL carts & got rid of the KRK's for some Yamaha HS8 monitors.

soundslikeste
by soundslikeste 5th December 2014

PS... the Vestax PMC46mk2 & PMC250r are from the same series & feel great. With it being an old discontinued range, you might struggle to find parts should something go wrong. Usually crackley isolator pots, but the 250 is so much fun! I loved that one. The Rane is cool for sure. If youre being offered a bargain, you wont be dissapointed at all. If its going to cost you a grand or more, Id look towards some of the others, Condesa, E&S, Urei, Bozak. The new Superstereo DN78 Phantom looks very tasty too... valves, higher grade component optional upgrades etc. I really like the old WW2 style Blakelite rounded black pots like the Isonoe mixer uses too...

http://www.superstereo.co.uk/dn78-phantom-valve-series

linehanshane
by linehanshane 5th December 2014

Cheers for the input, I got a PMC 25 a few weeks back. I love it, great sound off it and the ISOs are spot on, gonna order the rotary conversion soon...

Im looking at getting the bozure iso 1 kit and building it myself too

linehanshane
by linehanshane 5th December 2014

Any pics of your 250R? Is it modded?

soundslikeste
by soundslikeste 3rd January 2015

Yeah, when they were discontinued around 2005, a lot of stores were selling them off for £200, new. Thats when I got mine. There was an option of the rotary upgrade, which was basically a DIY thing, but the new faceplate bared the PMC250-R name. Pots that you swiched over for the faders & a new faceplate. It was a lot neater than the version before where you just unscrewed the pots/faders out & didnt have to change the faceplate. I thought it was a really good mixer to use, but be careful with those pots because you'll be fucked to find spares without caniblaising another unit now - even more so with Vestax going bust. Try to stock up on spares if you can. You'll find the part numbers somewhere online.

soundslikeste
by soundslikeste 3rd January 2015

Had a switch around because I guess the mixer was too warm for those KRKs & I upgraded those Shure M44-7s pictured before for some old school Stanton 680EL's because they sounded stupidly boomy. They were only ever to make do until I could afford better, but the Stantons are so much cleaner & more neautral. Those & the Yamaha's have totally brought the detail out across freq range. I just need to stop upgrading shit & get a fucking life now, haha.

Are any of you guys in that E&S DJR400 group on Facebook? Its not ran by Jerome, but you get some decent info on there. Someone has just done an A-B test with a DJR400, a Carmen & a DN78 Phantom. 

 

linehanshane
by linehanshane 3rd January 2015

Yeah, when they were discontinued around 2005, a lot of stores were selling them off for £200, new. Thats when I got mine. There was an option of the rotary upgrade, which was basically a DIY thing, but the new faceplate bared the PMC250-R name. Pots that you swiched over for the faders & a new faceplate. It was a lot neater than the version before where you just unscrewed the pots/faders out & didnt have to change the faceplate. I thought it was a really good mixer to use, but be careful with those pots because you'll be fucked to find spares without caniblaising another unit now - even more so with Vestax going bust. Try to stock up on spares if you can. You'll find the part numbers somewhere online.

Very nice, yes, I plan on doing the rotary conversion on mine soon, itll be with the 250 faceplate. 

My left channel bass pot is gone alright, found the pot type on the wave forum must order a few of them, if I can get them. I really like it as a mixer though, even the way it is at the mo.

tommi.gronlund
by tommi.gronlund 3rd January 2015

What is the url for the DJR400, a Carmen & a DN78 Phantom comparison?

soundslikeste
by soundslikeste 4th January 2015

https://www.facebook.com/groups/124887204885/?fref=ts

Its not a huge write up or anything, but they are gonna write something up. If you have any questions, theyre on there to ask directy.

I found this online a few weeks ago... https://soundcloud.com/alex_cobb/mixed-live-on-superstereo-dn78-phantom-rotary

Im not a fan of that kind of house, but its mixed on a DN78 Phantom. Through my speakers & in headphones & thought the quality sounded warm & punchy. Im guessing its CD/Digi files because its a bit clean sounding.

acostelloe1
by acostelloe1 4th February 2015

I reckoned this would be the place to ask. Does anyone know if it would be possible to rent any of these in Dublin or beyond?

Urei 1620 or Bozak CMA or Rane MP 2016

conor
by conor 4th February 2015

Litton lane will Deffo have the Rane, not sure about the others

acostelloe1
by acostelloe1 5th February 2015

Brilliant cheers Conor!

waurma
by waurma 6th February 2015

I reckoned this would be the place to ask. Does anyone know if it would be possible to rent any of these in Dublin or beyond?

Urei 1620 or Bozak CMA or Rane MP 2016

Few lads in Cork have been known to rent Ureis & Bozacs for big gigs, good few rental companies around the country with Ranes!

oranfer
by oranfer 9th February 2015

Had a switch around because I guess the mixer was too warm for those KRKs & I upgraded those Shure M44-7s pictured before for some old school Stanton 680EL's because they sounded stupidly boomy. They were only ever to make do until I could afford better, but the Stantons are so much cleaner & more neautral. Those & the Yamaha's have totally brought the detail out across freq range. I just need to stop upgrading shit & get a fucking life now, haha.

Are any of you guys in that E&S DJR400 group on Facebook? Its not ran by Jerome, but you get some decent info on there. Someone has just done an A-B test with a DJR400, a Carmen & a DN78 Phantom. 

 

Those Yamahas are awful for ear fatigue, no point upgrading tonearms carts if you are gonna use these monitors imo

linehanshane
by linehanshane 24th March 2015

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141614307174?ssPageName=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

 

just gonna leave this here...

Savage - ever see the Carl Cox model? Serious

 

waurma
by waurma 25th March 2015

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141614307174?ssPageName=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

 

just gonna leave this here...

Savage - ever see the Carl Cox model? Serious

 

That's Cool! 

 

I reckon if I do ever take the plunge it'll be a condessa or a dn78...

 

maybe next year

kenny.hanlon
by kenny.hanlon 25th March 2015

that cox model looks mega. 

linehanshane
by linehanshane 26th March 2015

ya id say you could absolutely hang out of it for hours on end

soundslikeste
by soundslikeste 2nd July 2015

 

Those Yamahas are awful for ear fatigue, no point upgrading tonearms carts if you are gonna use these monitors imo

Oh there are better out there for sure, but they're alright for what I need them for. I wanted Adam or Genelec after hearing a friends, but couldn't stretch that far. The arms offer a big improvement & the turntables get used elsewhere. The mixer lowered ear fatigue for sure. I'd like to go passive with the monitors eventually.

Гоце Чекоров-Ланс
by Гоце Чекоров-Ланс 17th December 2016
By: paulnealejunior

think these mixers are around the grand mark, mad thing is is that all discrete circuitry. ARS, vintage Urei, A and Heath rotary: none of them are discrete all use IC chips

Only mixer with discrete circuitry was original Bozak

 

Great read about the mixer here: http://transitionrecords.net.au/condesa.php

 

 

what do you mean ARS is not discrete?

I am thinking of buying the ARS 9000

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